Kaioken Base Vegitto vs. Super Buu

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Kaioken Base Vegitto vs. Super Buu
Tweet Topic Started: Aug 27 2017, 03:13 PM (544 Views)
Dougla$	Aug 27 2017, 03:13 PM Post #1
Posts: 511 Group: Member Member #6,899 Joined: October 23, 2011	If Base Vegitto uses the Kaioken x10 and is able to use it without much of a strain on his body (as I assume he would as the fusion gives fighters abnormal powers, such as his ability to talk and move as a ball of candy, and Gotenk's ability to transform into SSJ3 whereas the individual boys couldn't even become SSJ2), would he be able to defeat Super Buu? Round 1- Super Buu Round 2- Buutenks Round 3- Vegitto with a x20 Kaioken Edited by Dougla$, Aug 27 2017, 07:30 PM.
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+ Son-Goku	Aug 27 2017, 04:13 PM Post #2
孫悟空 Posts: 13,358 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	First two rounds he stomps. Last one, he gets stomped.
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ahill1	Aug 27 2017, 05:32 PM Post #3
Posts: 759 Group: Member Member #12,438 Joined: June 29, 2015 Gender Not Specified Country Egypt Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? the best Favourite Manga HxH	I have got Base Vegetto about as strong as SSJ Gotenks (post RoSaT), considering I don't see the need to have SSJ Vegetto much more than 2x above Boohan, and I do use the 50x multiplier for Vegetto. That said, Kaioken x10 Vegetto ends up considerably stronger than Super Boo, and he can defeat him with this power advantage, although he has no chance against Bootenks.



+ Pyrus	Aug 27 2017, 06:34 PM Post #4
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	He might win the first round, but he'd get stomped by the second and third. I've got Base Vegetto between SSJ Gotenks (post) and SSJ2 Gotenks (post) for the most part, closer to either one depending on the day, so yeah. SSJ Gotenks - 1 Base Vegetto - 1 SSJ2 Gotenks - 2 Super Boo - 7.2 SSJ3 Gotenks - 8 U. Gohan - 9.5 Kaio-ken x10 Base Vegetto - 10 Super Bootenks - 15.2 Super Boohan - 16.7 SSJ Vegetto - 50 KKx20 Super Bootenks - 304? Edited by Pyrus, Aug 27 2017, 06:35 PM.
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Dougla$	Aug 27 2017, 07:32 PM Post #5
Posts: 511 Group: Member Member #6,899 Joined: October 23, 2011	Correction: I meant to put Vegitto with KKx20 in round 3.
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+ Pyrus	Aug 27 2017, 07:58 PM Post #6
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Oh, then he beats Bootenks with ease.
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Dougla$	Aug 27 2017, 08:09 PM Post #7
Posts: 511 Group: Member Member #6,899 Joined: October 23, 2011	Pyrus Aug 27 2017, 07:58 PM Oh, then he beats Bootenks with ease. That was a dumb typo on my part. I agree that even SSJ Vegitto would lose to a KKx20 Buutenks.
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OmegaSaiyan2	Aug 27 2017, 08:26 PM Post #8
¿? Posts: 3,381 Group: Member Member #10,465 Joined: November 9, 2013 Gender Male Country Chile Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/Z and Sailor Moon. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball/Z.	defeats Buutenks in a hard fight. but loses to Buuhan. Edited by OmegaSaiyan2, Aug 27 2017, 08:27 PM.
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Thiln	Aug 28 2017, 08:11 AM Post #9
Posts: 2,481 Group: Member Member #12,166 Joined: March 23, 2015 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Attack on Titan What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken, Berserk, Dragon Ball, Rurouni Kenshin, Attack on Titan, Kuroshitsuji	You know I didn't believe Vegetto was all that superior to Buuhan in the first place. Throughout their battle it's clear he has a strong dominating advantage over Buu, but it's not to the extent where he could just casually endure in the epicentre of an attack with no damage to his person or scuff applied to his clothes. Freeza accomplished this against Nail and King Piccolo did the same against Goku the first time they fought. Keep in mind, Piccolo was using less than half of his power to achieve this effect. If Vegetto was actually dozens of times more powerful then he shouldn't have had to exert himself at all. What was stopping him from incapacitating or killing Buuhan with a single pinpoint poke to the forehead like what Tao accomplished against the clothing stylist? I'm skeptical of Vegetto winning against regular Super Buu. The absorption process of Buu seems to be additive, not multiplicative. Incorporating Mystic Gohan's power would have only raised his own power a good amount above 200%. I don't think Vegetto was minimalistically 30x stronger than Buuhan as a Super Saiyan. So Super Buu might win this, in my opinion.



Vegerot1990	Aug 28 2017, 08:53 AM Post #10
Posts: 490 Group: Member Member #13,460 Joined: August 21, 2016 Gender Male	Thiln Aug 28 2017, 08:11 AM You know I didn't believe Vegetto was all that superior to Buuhan in the first place. Throughout their battle it's clear he has a strong dominating advantage over Buu, but it's not to the extent where he could just casually endure in the epicentre of an attack with no damage to his person or scuff applied to his clothes. Freeza accomplished this against Nail and King Piccolo did the same against Goku the first time they fought. Keep in mind, Piccolo was using less than half of his power to achieve this effect. If Vegetto was actually dozens of times more powerful then he shouldn't have had to exert himself at all. What was stopping him from incapacitating or killing Buuhan with a single pinpoint poke to the forehead like what Tao accomplished against the clothing stylist? I'm skeptical of Vegetto winning against regular Super Buu. The absorption process of Buu seems to be additive, not multiplicative. Incorporating Mystic Gohan's power would have only raised his own power a good amount above 200%. I don't think Vegetto was minimalistically 30x stronger than Buuhan as a Super Saiyan. So Super Buu might win this, in my opinion. Buuhan without his Hax Regen Abilities would have died very fast against Super Saiyan Vegito. Don't forget that he beat Buuhan as a Candy. Vegito wins in my opinion. Base Vegito blasted of a good Deal of Merged Zamasu. Edited by Vegerot1990, Aug 28 2017, 08:55 AM.



Thiln	Aug 28 2017, 09:02 AM Post #11
Posts: 2,481 Group: Member Member #12,166 Joined: March 23, 2015 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Attack on Titan What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken, Berserk, Dragon Ball, Rurouni Kenshin, Attack on Titan, Kuroshitsuji	Regeneration only allows the person to restore mutilated or lost appendages, organs, and general body parts. I don't think it's some kind of biological insulator for damage that prevents unconsciousness or death from being induced if enough force is applied. Furthermore, I think Beerus was able to render Buu unconscious so the same should apply to Vegetto if the disparity is as large as some make it out to be. Candy form or not, his power should be the same. I don't recall size or spacial framework posing any issues for Goku when he tossed a giant sized Piccolo away.



Sjk8	Aug 28 2017, 10:28 AM Post #12
史上最強の孫悟空 Posts: 967 Group: Member Member #8,358 Joined: September 29, 2012 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ Abridged Favourite Manga Dragon Ball - One Piece - Attack on Titan	Without any information about base Vegetto's power in the manga, I follow the next most important source which is the anime. Thus I have Vegetto stomping round 1 without KK and taking easily round 2, maybe just needing a simple KK in order to safely atomize Bootenks.
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Vance	Aug 28 2017, 01:21 PM Post #13
Posts: 326 Group: Member Member #13,910 Joined: June 17, 2017	Anime or Manga? If Anime, then Vegito stomps all rounds in terms of power; however, I'd be interested in seeing how he'd fare as a candy in his base form against Buutenks, considering that he was susceptible to it as an SSJ. I could see him being unable to eradicate Buutenks completely, given that Buuhan wasn't all that worried about Base Vegito in the anime, and given that Buutenks is very, very slightly weaker than Buuhan (whereas SSJ Vegito is 50x stronger than Base Vegito) If Manga, there is nothing to indicate that Vegito is in the same tier as Buuhan / Buutenks, considering he transformed immediately. I personally don't have Base Vegito being any stronger than SSJ Gotenks, and even with a 2x modifier from Kaoiken, I don't see how that would allow him to defeat regular Super Buu, nevermind Buutenks. Kaoiken x 20 Vegito is far more compelling, and there's a genuine argument that, assuming the strain is indeed minimal, he could simply beat down Buu until his regeneration wears out. He'd still be susceptible to candy beam, and if we assume Buutenks can rip the dimensions open, I'm not sure Vegito could stop that in his mere Kaoiken state. Basically, Anime Vegito wins and Manga Vegito loses.
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Dougla$	Aug 29 2017, 01:13 AM Post #14
Posts: 511 Group: Member Member #6,899 Joined: October 23, 2011	Sjk8 Aug 28 2017, 10:28 AM Without any information about base Vegetto's power in the manga, I follow the next most important source which is the anime. Thus I have Vegetto stomping round 1 without KK and taking easily round 2, maybe just needing a simple KK in order to safely atomize Bootenks. Yes I grew up on the Anime as well, but I've learned the hard way that most everyone on this board goes by the Manga. I once started an SSJ Mystic Gohan vs. Buuhan thread (Ultimate Gohan if he could achieve a 50x multiplier) and it stirred up a lot of flak. People said that even SSJ Vegitto would lose to SSJ Mystic Gohan, and for a little while I didn't understand why they would say this, as Base Vegitto was wrecking Buuhan whereas Gohan was wrecked by Buutenks, who is somewhat weaker than his Buuhan counterparts. Later I saw where Base Vegitto isn't even in the Manga, and also that his Base form would be at about Fat Buu level at best.
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Dougla$	Aug 29 2017, 01:17 AM Post #15
Posts: 511 Group: Member Member #6,899 Joined: October 23, 2011	Vance Aug 28 2017, 01:21 PM Anime or Manga? If Anime, then Vegito stomps all rounds in terms of power; however, I'd be interested in seeing how he'd fare as a candy in his base form against Buutenks, considering that he was susceptible to it as an SSJ. I could see him being unable to eradicate Buutenks completely, given that Buuhan wasn't all that worried about Base Vegito in the anime, and given that Buutenks is very, very slightly weaker than Buuhan (whereas SSJ Vegito is 50x stronger than Base Vegito) If Manga, there is nothing to indicate that Vegito is in the same tier as Buuhan / Buutenks, considering he transformed immediately. I personally don't have Base Vegito being any stronger than SSJ Gotenks, and even with a 2x modifier from Kaoiken, I don't see how that would allow him to defeat regular Super Buu, nevermind Buutenks. Kaoiken x 20 Vegito is far more compelling, and there's a genuine argument that, assuming the strain is indeed minimal, he could simply beat down Buu until his regeneration wears out. He'd still be susceptible to candy beam, and if we assume Buutenks can rip the dimensions open, I'm not sure Vegito could stop that in his mere Kaoiken state. Basically, Anime Vegito wins and Manga Vegito loses. Anime Vegitto wins easily against Super Buu with no Kaioken and probably could even win against Buutenks without it, as he blew Buuhan apart and stopped his huge energy ball.
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